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Besides, it's not like people in Indonesia here wouldn't be able to know the depth of VN anyway, at least for general public back when Fate published and years after (Can't exactly blame them though, seeing that most of the translated VNs releases are nukige (Or normal BNs with sex scenes) and there's no all age version like Steam version nowadays, and more importantly I also think like that before seeing more VNs such as Tsukihime and Clannad). That said, it didn't really lessen the value of the story though seeing that Type Moon did make console version of that, and of course it grew so big that it have Fate Grand Order. If I based that on whether it have sex scenes or not, then yes I'll just bluntly said that original Fate is a hentai game because it have sex scenes (Whether the first sex scenes in there is reasonable or not is another matter though, or whether the way on how DEEN adapted it (By the way I didn't remember watch the dragon back when I watch original Fate anime in Animax at 2007)). It's a similar approach to GoT, though I wouldn't call it equal. I think these are often better received and accepted than a charage or plotge, which includes shallow porn scenes that go against the flow of the rest of the VN. There are some nukige that embrace their sexual content as a way to create the world they are trying to make and that usually shows. Monster Girl Quest is a pretty hardcore nukige, very fetishy to boot, still all its content is a logical conclusion of the world it's trying to build, same (mostly) for Funbag Fantasy and Euphoria. Still, hentai or pornographic doesn't equal bad in my opinion, the question is rather how it is used. A good VN would try to create it's scenes in a similar way, many don't however and instead get into a different writing style, play some mellow music and basically create a cheap porn scene by being shallow. Take Game of Thrones for example, I'd say that has more sexual content than many, many VNs, still it furthers its respective world and it's fitting to show (most) of it and I'd say most people wouldn't call it porn. This is like the old knee-jerk reactions most anime fans from my generation have when someone calls anime cartoons, lol. In addition, asking the average person to make that kind of hair-splitting distinction is unrealistic at best, arrogantly overbearing at worst. With charage, it varies from game to game, but I've encountered charage that I could have considered to be CG porno. However, if someone were to say that most charage and all nukige are hentai games, I wouldn't be able to deny it, since the ratio of sexual content to normal content in a nukige is identical to that of a porno movie. and because we don't call all movies that have bed scenes porno. I make a careful distinction because I want to be as precise as possible. Most JVNs, whether charage or nukige, can be considered to be focused on sex, so they can also be considered to be hentai games. It's a viewpoint that actually has a point when it comes to JVNs. It's pretty asinine, and I wonder if anyone else has experience with this. I wanted to stir discussion on the subject because I've seen lately that visual novels have been getting more mainstream talk (as mainstream as anime talk gets, that is) and the sentiment repeated over and over is basically visual novel = hentai game. Although it didn't bother me too much my eyes just kinda glazed over and I went "Oh, we're doing this now I guess." I kind of worded the post in a way to see what people might have to say from authoritative point of view, but in reality I also played FSN.